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Post by Achilles on May 12, 2015 0:43:12 GMT
Hello Crafters! Have you ever wondered if those board game miniatures you found will be able to go toe to toe with your D&D Brand miniatures? Or, what exactly is the difference between 1/72nd scale miniatures and 28mm miniatures?? Well hopefully we can answer those questions and any others you may have! I'm starting this thread in the hopes that others on the forums can help each other out when it comes to showing the size comparison of all the miniatures we find and collect. The goal is to help those on the fence with purchases of certain miniatures because they're afraid they just won't match up. Guidelines of the Thread: - ALWAYS include a D&D branded miniature in the comparison photo since it's likely most people have, or recognize the scale of, a D&D miniature here.
- Label the miniatures in the photos! Make it easy to tell what's what!
- Level the camera with the eye line of the D&D miniature that you included in your photo because you followed #1!
I'll start the thread off with some comparison photos. (I also switched to an easier to label format for the last few images.
A. Cyclops from Hobby Stores C. Battat Terra Set Warrior D. Icon of the Realms: Elemental Evil - Moon Elf Ranger E. Battat Terra Fantasy Goblin
A. Forest Dragon from Hobby Stores C. Ashardalon (D&D Board Game) D. Icon of the Realms: Elemental Evil - Moon Elf Ranger E/F. Mage Knight Dragon (Sans wings) |
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Post by curufin on May 12, 2015 17:13:26 GMT
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Post by Sam on May 16, 2015 21:32:41 GMT
Send in the Orcs, there ought to be Orcs.  A - 25mm lead (long ago, far away), B - Grenadier Fantasy Warriors, 28 mm?, C - Heroquest (yeah), D - WotC, Orc Champion 2004 And... to keep them in line, Dwarves  A - 1:72 Caesar (I think), B & C - 25mm Prince August mold 653, D - Grenadier Fantasy Warriors, E - WotC, Dwarf Barbarian 2003, F - WotC, Warpriest of Moradin 2005, G - WotC, Guard of Mithral Hall 2007, H - HeroClix, LotR, Dwalin the dwarf The Grenadier are now being made by EM4. The grid is 1/4 inch squares. |
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Post by lordbryon on May 22, 2015 20:10:54 GMT
The Caesar Dwarf looks really good. And what the heck happened to Dwarf G. Scalecreep over at WotC methinks.
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Post by Sam on May 23, 2015 16:32:39 GMT
The Caesar Dwarf looks really good. And what the heck happened to Dwarf G. Scalecreep over at WotC methinks. I always thought he was a really big dwarf. Definite scale creep. That's why I put him in the mix. |
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Post by Sam on May 23, 2015 21:00:08 GMT
And some Undead  A - Age of Mythology mummy about 1:72 B - Twilight Creations (TC) Zombie, about 1:72, slightly larger C - TC Zombie Babe, about 1:72 D - TC Clown, scale ? E - 25mm lead ghost warrior, Ral Partha I think <= actually a Reaper Wraith, found in 1993 catalog F - WotC Grimlock, not undead, but usable as zombie or ghoul G - Mage Knight (MK) Tomb Horror, no. 86, Sinister series H - Zombie Surfer, from a cheap plastic set (CPS) available at childtherapytoys.com I- Zombie Cheerleader, CPS, was $3.95 for 9 More undead,  A - 25mm lead zombie ninga B - 25mm lead mummy, Ral Partha ? C - 28 mm? plastic, Grenadier ? D - WotC Grimlock, for scale E - MK Lancers 13 Marsh Zombie F - HeroClix (HC) Infinity Challenge 147 Nightmare G - HC Grymm, Teen Titans 16 H - HC Amazing Spider Man 11 Living Mummy  A - TC zombie B - WotC Grimlock C - HC Amazing Spider Man 38 Carrion, minus man-purse and with quick and dirty repaint D - Cheap Plastic Zombie Doctor E - Cheap Plastic Zombie Clown F - Cheap Plastic Zombie Granny G - Cheap Plastic Zombie Spectator H - HC Amazing Spider Man 10 Frankenstein's Monster The grid is 1/8 squares |
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Post by lordbryon on May 23, 2015 22:24:24 GMT
Out of curiosity do you know how well the Caesar 1/72 dwarves match up with the GW LOTR and Hobbit line dwarves?
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Post by Sam on May 24, 2015 0:34:49 GMT
Out of curiosity do you know how well the Caesar 1/72 dwarves match up with the GW LOTR and Hobbit line dwarves? I am not real familiar with either, but here is a link to a discussion of GW alternatives. www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=25499&view=printI got a few 1:72 scale figures at The Game Crafters to compare with the Age of Mythology minis. I got more elves than dwarves. The detail on them was very good. I think they are slightly smaller than 25mm, say 23mm and mix well with that scale, but do not mix well with 28mm and up, and vice versa. |
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Post by lordmorbius on May 24, 2015 21:00:14 GMT
And what the heck happened to Dwarf G. Scalecreep over at WotC methinks. Possibly some sort of gland problem? An abnormal birth defect resulting in a "Giant Dwarf" (Hows that for an oxymoron?) =D |
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Post by lordbryon on May 26, 2015 19:37:21 GMT
And what the heck happened to Dwarf G. Scalecreep over at WotC methinks. Possibly some sort of gland problem? An abnormal birth defect resulting in a "Giant Dwarf" (Hows that for an oxymoron?) =D I found some of the Hobbit Heroclick collectible mini boosters at my local 99cents Only store. I purchase a few of them and ended up with the Thorin Model. He is the size of a normal 28mm human miniature and only slightly more "thick". My son was so excited because he finally found the perfect figure for his Bard. Either way not bad for a $1 |
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Post by sgtslag on May 30, 2015 15:00:01 GMT
The Caesar, 1/72, figures work great if you want to use Elf and Dwarf figures in line with the sizes of 1st Ed. AD&D's Monster Manual. That is what I am doing with them, using them with 25-28mm tall Humans. Also, in 1st Ed. AD&D, there were two types of Dwarves: Hill, and Mountain. They were different in heights, so one shorter brand of Dwarf figures will work for the Hill Dwarfs, while a slightly taller brand of figures will work nicely for the taller Mountain Dwarves. Just a suggestion on how to employ them in your games. Cheers!
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Post by lordbryon on May 31, 2015 1:21:00 GMT
The Caesar, 1/72, figures work great if you want to use Elf and Dwarf figures in line with the sizes of 1st Ed. AD&D's Monster Manual. That is what I am doing with them, using them with 25-28mm tall Humans. Also, in 1st Ed. AD&D, there were two types of Dwarves: Hill, and Mountain. They were different in heights, so one shorter brand of Dwarf figures will work for the Hill Dwarfs, while a slightly taller brand of figures will work nicely for the taller Mountain Dwarves. Just a suggestion on how to employ them in your games. Cheers! excellent suggestion!! |
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Post by Sam on May 31, 2015 20:17:36 GMT
Guidelines of the Thread:
ALWAYS include a D&D branded miniature in the comparison photo since it's likely most people have, or recognize the scale of, a D&D miniature here.
Label the miniatures in the photos! Make it easy to tell what's what!
Level the camera with the eye line of the D&D miniature that you included in your photo because you followed #1!
Sorry, I violated rule #3, but I really like the thread and hope for more comparisons. DM Zack, do you have more figures from the Heroforge and Weapons & Warriors sets? Are they still available or OOP?
Did some research, W&W is OOP. Heroforge is 3D printed. Nice Gnome!
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Post by sgtslag on Jun 1, 2015 3:57:55 GMT
One of the things I believe has been lost in the new editions of D&D, is its link to wargaming. Gygax put a great deal of effort into detailing the varying heights, and to a lesser degree, weights, for the different races of humanoids. Without putting these size differences into physical figures, it got lost, people ignoring these seemingly minor details. I've been going back to the 1977 Monster Manual, trying to find figures in proper scale to Gygax's original heights. It's been both challenging, and informative. In 1st Ed. AD&D, for example, Elves had a limit to exceptional Strength, as did the Gnomes, and Dwarves -- only Humans could achieve 18/00, as well as Ogres (in 2nd Ed. AD&D, this minor detail was eliminated, allowing Elves, Dwarves, and Gnomes, to achieve 18/00...).
Anyway, the size differences were carefully chosen by the game designer, and they have an interesting effect, or visual impact, when displayed on the tabletop, with properly scaled figures. I believe this has been lost, since the mid-80's, probably. But that is just my opinion. Cheers!
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Post by DnDPaladin on Jun 1, 2015 11:46:59 GMT
paizo made monsters for pathfinder way too small compared to what they should be. i have fire giant thats the size of my huge beholder. yet has a large only base. there are many minis from paizo that are just too small compared to the D&D minis. i think wizkid actually has a better scale. thena again the new attack x wing series is way too small compared to the 3.5 minis of old. and by that i mean that a medium gargoyle is actually small sized now. their huge dragons are actually large sized...
you definitely cannot hope people will keep the same scale allt eh time. each manufacturer will have its own scale.
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Post by sgtslag on Jun 1, 2015 13:50:21 GMT
You are correct, DnDPaladin. Even with the same sculptor, working on the same product line, scale varies quite a bit! I understand the challenges involved, and I am not angry about it. It just poses an interesting challenge for me, to find figures which are close to the specified sizes back in the early days. I also don't mind if not all of my Humans are the same height, or build; I feel the same way about other races -- not everybody wears the same size clothes! Still, it is fun to put figures next to each other, which are close to Gygax's original proportions, stated in the 1977 Monster Manual. It really demonstrates their differences. It is a bit subtle, in the drawings in the original Players Handbook, for example, but when you see a group of figures, in proper scale to one another, it really becomes apparent how different Elves are from Humans, Dwarves, Gnomes, etc. Like I said, this is a subtle thing, which I believe has been lost, or glossed over, since the early days of the game. Not everyone cares, or wants their demi-Humans to be so different, and that is fine. I just enjoy exploring some of the subtleties of Gygax's original vision for the game. Cheers! |
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Post by DnDPaladin on Jun 1, 2015 20:15:25 GMT
sgt, scales are scales. when you design for 28mm everyone has the same scale.
the problem is that not everyone sees the size of such things to be the same.
to you a beholder should be this big, to another guy a beholder should be much bigger.
i'm the kind of guy who likes to have monsters much bigger then the players.
it gives them a much more satisfying experience once they win the day.
thats all i was saying. oh and the fact that i really really hate gygax !
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Post by Sam on Jun 9, 2015 13:42:21 GMT
Some Goblins  A and B - 25mm lead, cast from Prince August mold PA656. The mold has better detail. I picked these up at GenCon on the cheap C - 25mm? plastic, from Warhammer Quest, really nice detail D and E - 25mm? lead, Ral Partha, mid '80s, if standing they would be pretty big F - plastic, mystery figure, can't remember where I got it and can't find it online, also big, may be an orc G - plastic, Hero Quest H - 2003 WotC Goblin Skirmisher I - 2003 WotC Goblin Warrior J - HeroClix, Goblin Cannibal K - HeroClix, Goblin Grenadier |
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Post by lordmorbius on Jun 9, 2015 20:55:57 GMT
Some Goblins A and B - 25mm lead, cast from Prince August mold PA656. The mold has better detail. I picked these up at GenCon on the cheap C - 25mm? plastic, from Warhammer Quest, really nice detail D and E - 25mm? lead, Ral Partha, mid '80s, if standing they would be pretty big F - plastic, mystery figure, can't remember where I got it and can't find it online, also big, may be an orc G - plastic, Hero Quest H - 2003 WotC Goblin Skirmisher I - 2003 WotC Goblin Warrior J - HeroClix, Goblin Cannibal K - HeroClix, Goblin Grenadier Your mystery figure appears to be an Orc from the Dragonstrike board game from the early 1990s |
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Post by Sam on Jun 9, 2015 23:37:08 GMT
Your mystery figure appears to be an Orc from the Dragonstrike board game from the early 1990s Thanks. I have the deathknight and bugbear too. And I remember having the gargoyle. Not sure where I picked them up. I never had the game. |
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Cheers!
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