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Post by DM Misha on Apr 15, 2016 18:20:36 GMT
Oh also, has your door clip been uploaded anywhere?
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Post by curufin on Apr 15, 2016 19:05:00 GMT
Oh also, has your door clip been uploaded anywhere? Oops.....now it has. Just one more drop in the bucket that is "why I should not be unsupervised".
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Post by Meph on Apr 15, 2016 20:14:58 GMT
I've been thinking about the removable tile base. I really liked the idea of DJ's OpenForge 2.0. The magnet idea seemed awesome. And having more options for how you can build your tile set means making more people happy. But the more I think about it, the more I think it is a tedious design that offers more of a neutrality or negative than a positive. I know that sounds bad, and I mean absolutely no disrespect to DJ, as I think the guy is not only brilliant, but an opensource gaming pioneer. If we do some comparisons of a Single Wall tile: (assuming $23 kg of plastic, running at a speed of 80mm/sec) DJ Openforge original - a single file that costs $0.44 and takes 2h 23min to print. DJ Openforge 2.0 - two files that costs a total of $.51 and takes 2h 54min to print PLUS $0.50 for the eight magnets. This tile requires assembly, and if you decide to load the printer bed, you will only be able to print half a many total tiles compared to the DJ OF original. Wylock tile - A single file that costs $0.37 and takes 1h 25min to print. I spent a while reading all the reviews and comments on the OF 2.0 tiles and it seems that a lot people are scraping the base altogether and just printing the top portion to save cost and printer time. The cost of just the top portion is $.037 and takes 2h to print. As for a thinner tile, yeah, that was my bad. I wish I would have been stopped when I asked if it was a problem... Here is a V1 with texture. I removed the top most layer of the grid. The tiles now measures from the table top to top of the tile 11/32". I will vet a print in the morning. Does 11/32" throw a monkey wrench into the system? However, there is still room for pennies or magnets if cylindrical booleans are cut into the bases. That still gives diehard's those options. If I had a set of modular dungeon tiles, I would use a little masking tape along the bottom to build rooms and hallways before hand. Then lay them out as a whole. As for the tile sliding problem, that could remove the need for added weight or magnets altogether. So, my opinion (which carries no weight), is a removable base is superfluous. These Wyloch tiles are already cheaper and faster to print, require no assembly, and retain every aspect that makes a Wyloch tile a Wyloch tile. But this is not my project. This is our project. If these tiles simply don't fit the intended model, that's fine. No hard feelings what so ever. I would politely ask someone else to give it a shot... I just don't have it in me to start over. You know my thoughts curufin, I think you tiles are awesome. There a lot of options out there with all the different style DF and DF2.0 tiles. I would stay the course and make your mark. If someone wants taller walls, modular bases, etc that is the beauty of this type of medium, they can just modify and create their own. I think you did great and we talked before about why I was hesitant to start printing another set. I wanted to wait until someone picked a style and stuck with it. You already have the basic set complete and the structure in place to easily add on to them with doors and such, I hope you keep with it.
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Post by jennifer on Apr 16, 2016 2:18:15 GMT
I like the Curufin's tiles as well. I like how the brick walls look with the thinner tiles. They look larger than the bricks in the walls I was making. You can get away with the larger bricks since the tiles are thinner.
Again, I can easily remix the tiles on thingiverse for recesses on the bottom for those who want them weighted down. Dwarven Forge doesn't have magnetic or snap together tiles and they are doing fine.. These are like DF and can be as heavy as DF with the remix. So I think all is good personally -- just go with as is.
What do you think Wyloch?
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Post by Wyloch on Apr 17, 2016 12:24:08 GMT
Agree. It's not really a problem of weight, it is a problem of friction.
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Post by jennifer on Apr 17, 2016 21:21:09 GMT
Agree. It's not really a problem of weight, it is a problem of friction. Yeah the tiles could benefit from some rubber type material on the bottom. But the extra weight of the pennies applies more force against the table which increases the frictional force of the material applied to the bottom. The Dwarven Forge tile resin is a little bit grippy itself, combined with the weight, they stay put much better than a PLA tile printed with no grippy material glued to the bottom. PLA is very light (1/3rd the wegiht of DF) and slide around like crazy, straight off the printer with no mods to the bottom. 5 or ten pennies along with the affordable rubbery craft foam glued to bottom, actually does really nicely. They really stay put.
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Post by wilmanric on Apr 18, 2016 4:25:41 GMT
I think you could easily add penny holes to the stl files. That isn't something I know how to do in blender I can try. I did the other ones in sketchup. Sketchup is a lot easier than Blender I agree, Blender is a pain Basically you would make five cylinders and then do a boolean difference operation. jennifer and curufin -- Did you guys figure this out or would you like me to try?
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Post by teazia on Apr 18, 2016 10:37:00 GMT
Does anyone have any experise in Blender who can slightly tweak the OF 2.0 wall and corner tops stl files? I have enough floor pieces but need to start printing up some walls and corners before my trans blue filament runs out. I need 4 corners and 4 walls, Then I will have enough tiles to do a proper stacking test. Pm me if you have the skillz (I do not!).
Cheers
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Post by curufin on Apr 18, 2016 15:22:03 GMT
jennifer and curufin -- Did you guys figure this out or would you like me to try? I think Jen knows how to do it, but if you want to give it a whirl, go for it! In other news: Yesterday morning the cat woke me up at 6:00am and in the 15 minutes from the time I woke up to when the coffee was ready I had one of those "eureka" moments that you read about. I think I have come up with an optional solution that could make the tile sliding/movement problem something from a distant, hazy, dream....
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Post by jennifer on Apr 18, 2016 17:52:03 GMT
jennifer and curufin -- Did you guys figure this out or would you like me to try? I think Jen knows how to do it, but if you want to give it a whirl, go for it! In other news: Yesterday morning the cat woke me up at 6:00am and in the 15 minutes from the time I woke up to when the coffee was ready I had one of those "eureka" moments that you read about. I think I have come up with an optional solution that could make the tile sliding/movement problem something from a distant, hazy, dream.... Wilmanric, if you want to do them that'd be great -- I've been really taking it easy and not modeling or crafting things for a month now -- my health is improving; making some lifestyle changes as well (diet etc). If you do them, make the 5 holes a bit larger than pennies so you can dig the pennies out with a butter knife or whatever. Also make them deep enough so that they hold two pennies each, along with the thickness of the hot glue holding them in. I guess if they are a tad too deep that's fine because you can fill in with something before applying a grippy material? However, I'm curious what Curufin has up his sleeves with respect to grippiness *smiles* -- may want to hold off on the penny holes until he makes his glorious revelation
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Post by DM Misha on Apr 19, 2016 4:02:43 GMT
Well, got 1 of each curufin designed 'Wyloch' tile on the print bed going. Plus a door clip. My friend is printing them for me and charging me a little over $1 per tile. Completely reasonable to me. Will play around with them once I have them in hand. Reading an older post, I think I'm also going to give Jennifer's cork tiles a go, using Wyloch's dimensions. Will also use the small bricks from Hirst Arts, these being 1/2" long by 1/4" thick and 1/4" tall, to make the walls a little taller. Compare the 2. See which my OCD likes better!
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Post by curufin on Apr 19, 2016 15:50:08 GMT
The Wyloch 3D printed tile system, now powered by Wylocking Wall Clips!
(not a great vid by even the lowest standards, but I think you get the idea)
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Post by malier on Apr 19, 2016 15:57:52 GMT
Have these files been uploaded someplace for public consumption ? I would love to start printing them out! Sorry if I missed an earlier post on it.
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Post by Wyloch on Apr 19, 2016 16:04:16 GMT
The Wyloch 3D printed tile system, now powered by Wylocking Wall Clips! (not a great vid by even the lowest standards, but I think you get the idea) AHHHHHHHH that's awesome. As the video began I was sure you were going to mimic the Dragon Lock method with inserts on the bottom. SHARP MAN. SHARP. --- edit: Just caught the pun in the name. I rarely use this but in this case it's true: lol.
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Post by DM Misha on Apr 19, 2016 17:22:17 GMT
Ohhhhhhh that is AMAZING!!! Take my $$ now guys!
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Post by skunkape on Apr 19, 2016 18:41:37 GMT
Great idea and well implemented!
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Post by jennifer on Apr 19, 2016 20:19:07 GMT
The Wyloch 3D printed tile system, now powered by Wylocking Wall Clips! (not a great vid by even the lowest standards, but I think you get the idea) Hah! Ingenious sir! Love it! I'd probably put a good flat/matte sealer over the wall paint as well to prevent wear on the wall paint. But if you're always going to use the clips on the walls I suppose it doesn't matter since they're always covered EDIT: "WY-LOCK" clever
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Post by jennifer on Apr 19, 2016 20:26:14 GMT
I bet Wylock.. ooops Wyloch.. (hehe) would like some of these WYLOCK clips to try out with his handmade tiles Once they become available, I can print some for him and mail them to him, but I bet Curufin has already thought of that Just saying I'm offering to help is all
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Post by teazia on Apr 20, 2016 0:00:45 GMT
Nice clips!
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Post by Meph on Apr 20, 2016 11:28:26 GMT
The Wyloch 3D printed tile system, now powered by Wylocking Wall Clips! (not a great vid by even the lowest standards, but I think you get the idea) You've done it again. Amazing job!
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