Yep, for large scale you want it fairly streamlined.
Most are the similar format of Roll to hit/if hit roll to save, but bonuses and such are minimized to save on time and highly generalized.
Honestly its less bonuses and special abilities, and generalized group formation and solidarity to save on time. I think you'd be surprised how long it can take with large scale battles.
There are small skirmish games that have more specialized actions and even wound results(roll a save after being wounded or fall prone for next turn, etc.), but there is a large draw to the Wargaming as opposed to RPGs that doesnt require a player to invest alot of personalization to the characters/units.
Just pick your units and wargear and hit the table for tactics.
Why is everyone scared of beholders? I hold bees all the time.
TSR/WotC/Hasbro has tried mass battles rules ever since the 1972-74 Chainmail game, from which D&D was born. None of them every really caught on. I own copies of most of the rule sets they tried: 1974 Chainmail:1976 Swords & Spells; 1990 BattleSystem mass combat rules, 1992(?) BattleSystem Skirmish. There is a definite streamlining of rules, as they progressed over the years. My favorites are the two versions of 2e BS rules.
They tried a new game, using the old name of, Chainmail, with 3e, then they came out with the miniatures book, that DnDPaladin mentions. I believe they had a version of mass battles rules in 4e, as well. None of them ever really caught on, nor were they popular. Too bad, really. The 2e BS mass battles rules are solid, playable, fun, and adaptable to any miniature/creature/war machine, you care to bring to the table, as long as it is fantasy-based, with magic, or steam power. It could be adapted to gunpowder, I suppose, but I have no interest in such. It covers every aspect of siege warfare, ground warfare, even flying cavalry with aerial combat! It is quite comprehensive. Magic is present, and it can be quite effective, but since the combat is with large units of dozens to hundreds of troops, rather than a small number of individuals, magic tends to be muted by the sheer size of the battlefield.
Not a lot of cross-over interest between RPG's and fantasy miniatures battles, in my experiences. I'm lucky to have found a group which enjoys both RPG's, and D&D-based mass battles games, but it is not common. Warhammer is a highly competitive game, which attracts min-max'ers to miniatures gaming, and it is kind of its own niche. Frostgrave is another specialized mini's game, IMO: as far as I understand it, it is a mad, smash-and-grab game, played out with competing skirmisher teams of mini's on the battlefield.
Pick the rules that suit you, and run with them! Many are still available, in PDF formats, or used books. Enjoy! Cheers!
erho: Too many minis, not enough time... Am I right?
Oct 29, 2019 21:28:01 GMT
sgtslag: If we could just do away with this whole "work" thing, and supporting ourselves, financially, and otherwise... Life always seems to get in the way of gaming. AHHH!!!...
Nov 6, 2019 18:32:16 GMT
erho: I will once again rise above Lurker status if I ever get back to painting, Real life work transitions... Adulting
Jan 31, 2020 16:23:29 GMT
factoriatabletop: sgtslag...oh man! you are right about it...
Mar 3, 2020 10:13:15 GMT
Draklith: Hey everyone just a quick stop by to see if anyone is still here, hope everyone is doing ok
May 26, 2020 18:27:20 GMT
sgtslag: This forum seems to be slowing down. I hope everyone is still crafting, safely! I will be here until they turn off the power... Cheers!
May 27, 2020 13:46:43 GMT
factoriatabletop: maybe we should try to make a contest here, between us
Jun 2, 2020 8:40:08 GMT
factoriatabletop: no prizes, just proud....dont know, anyone else?
Jun 2, 2020 8:40:40 GMT
sgtslag: Still unpacking after moving in October... Too much stuff, crafting materials are mostly still in boxes. Weekends are busy with life, so little progress made. Getting the urge to push through, though, soon. I have several projects waiting...
Jun 2, 2020 20:14:39 GMT
erho: Yeah I'm down for a painting contect
Jun 8, 2020 14:28:59 GMT
sgtslag: Started working on making hills, which match my Tee-Time carpet I use for my "grass mat," on my gaming table, for big battles. Got two long chunks of open-cell foam, from a friend. Used my Proxxon Hot Wire Cutter to make terrain hills out of them.
Jul 26, 2020 20:12:40 GMT
sgtslag: Came up with around 80 hills. Covering them with the same carpet, from scraps. They will match the tabletop, perfectly. Contact Cement, is my friend. Will post on it, when I get the pictures uploaded. Some prototypes done, as proof-of-concept...
Jul 26, 2020 20:14:06 GMT
randywest: does anyone know more manufacturers for 1/72 fantasy minis besides Dark Alliance, Caesar and Elhiem?
Sept 14, 2020 14:16:19 GMT
sgtslag: 50 Hills completed, 24 left to cover the sides on. Hoping to finish this project within the week. Then I'll post a build description. For war gaming, but it can cross over to RPG sessions... They match the ground 'cloth', perfectly.
Sept 19, 2020 19:03:09 GMT
sgtslag: Sorry, randywest, the listed makers are the only ones I know.
Sept 19, 2020 19:03:34 GMT
sgtslag: Ran out of Hot Glue, with only five hills left to add a skirt to the sides of. Wal-Mart closes at 8:00 PM, thanks to COVID. GRRRrrr! Another 30 minutes of work, and I would have been done: ~77 hills, modular, perfectly matching my table's ground cloth!
Sept 23, 2020 2:50:39 GMT
sgtslag: Will post a write-up soon, or after next week's vacation. Cheers!
Sept 23, 2020 2:51:57 GMT