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Post by bobtheskull on Jan 1, 2018 17:03:53 GMT
Hi everyone. So, I recently built a battle board off a sheet of foam board that I tacked to some plywood. I've been really happy with the results, but I've never flocked anything this big before. I've seen some videos that suggest sealing with watered down PVA but I'm not positive that it's necessary. Also, I used some unconventional materials to make my flock (mostly tea and deer moss). Not sure if they would look waxy with another coat. imgur.com/a/WI1ToTaken before the glue dried.
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Post by margaret on Jan 1, 2018 17:19:17 GMT
Can't see your picture and the link doesn't work for me. As far as I can tell, the thinned-down glue just sort of sinks into or under flock, including tea leaves. When thin enough, it shouldn't leave a waxy coat. YMMV.
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Post by bobtheskull on Jan 1, 2018 20:24:54 GMT
Alright, fixed the picture. Okay, so I'm thinking a 50/50 mix of white glue and water?
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Post by sgtslag on Jan 2, 2018 2:13:43 GMT
I would seal it with the Water/PVA mix of 50-50. Otherwise, things will flake off fairly soon. Over time, it will still flake off, but the PVA mix will dramatically slow it down. Cheers!
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Post by skunkape on Jan 2, 2018 15:46:01 GMT
One trick that model railroaders use when locking down flock is to first spray rubbing alcohol over the area that they will be sealing. This helps break the water tension and allows the glue/water mix to soak in better. Just get a spray bottle, spritz a little alcohol on the area you wish to glue, and then add the glue.
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Post by erho on Jan 2, 2018 15:52:57 GMT
You'll thank yourself for adding pva mix on it.
Dont worry about waxxy finish, try it out on a test peice and see how you like it compared to the board.
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Post by bobtheskull on Jan 3, 2018 1:01:12 GMT
Cool. Thanks for the advice everyone. It looks like I'll be using it a lot, so it will be nice to not have to make another one for a while.
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Post by DnDPaladin on Jan 8, 2018 21:11:45 GMT
i can tell you this much.. i have sealed stuff with Modpodge and it made the piece look like plastic toys. of course that was 100% modpodge, it was not diluted, then when i tryed sealing certain stuff with 50/50 PVA it made the thing much better and it left no real plastic like residu. so i'd say diluting the sealant for it to soak more is the better option.
not sealing it will break your board much faster thenif it was sealed so to answer your original question. i'd definitely seal it if you intend to play with it often.
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Post by erho on Jan 8, 2018 22:01:02 GMT
i can tell you this much.. i have sealed stuff with Modpodge and it made the piece look like plastic toys. of course that was 100% modpodge, it was not diluted, then when i tryed sealing certain stuff with 50/50 PVA it made the thing much better and it left no real plastic like residu. so i'd say diluting the sealant for it to soak more is the better option. not sealing it will break your board much faster thenif it was sealed so to answer your original question. i'd definitely seal it if you intend to play with it often. Ive done that as well, it looks terrible with straight modpodge! In fact its a terrible sealer because if its a little hot and/or humid, it will stick to everything, especially foam and other modpodge sealed pieces.
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Post by sgtslag on Jan 8, 2018 23:03:37 GMT
Full-strength PVA will give the same plastic coating effect. Been there, done that, got the textured figure bases to prove it... Mod Podge is a variant of PVA, so your experiences seem appropriate. PVA will re-activate, with moisture, as well -- first time I've heard of Mod Podge re-activating with moisture. Very good to know! Thanks for sharing, Gentlemen. Cheers!
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Post by bobtheskull on Jan 9, 2018 16:55:45 GMT
So, I went ahead and put down some 50/50 pva and let it dry. It took three days to fully set, but the flocking isn't going anywhere. Used it in my game on Sunday and players thought it looked amazing.
I caught one of the terrain tutor videos where he used a 1:8 ratio of pva mix in a squirt bottle. He just sprayed the whole piece with it, mosses, flocking, trees, etc. Has anyone tried that?
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Post by erho on Jan 9, 2018 17:02:51 GMT
I saw that one I think, he just kept spraying down the cliff face that had flock and moss all over it.
Ive gone the spray route, but usually 1/4 to 1/2 strength. Regardless of what I'm doing I put a small desk fan on the peices to help dry it out quicker.
Be mindful of the base you put it on doesnt warp with all the water.
Minwax poly sealer works great but its a little pricey when you can get by with a little PVA
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Post by deafnala on Jan 9, 2018 20:17:05 GMT
I use Krylon Matte Finish.
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Post by bobtheskull on Jan 9, 2018 20:38:48 GMT
Does that stuff work for vegetation?
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Post by deafnala on Jan 9, 2018 20:51:16 GMT
Does that stuff work for vegetation? About the only thing you can't use a spray finish on is bare/unpainted foam. It works fine on static grass/flocking material, clump foliage, lichen, etc.. Be sure to shake the can for about two minutes before spraying. It is best to do a couple of light coats rather than on heavy spray; re, a heavy spray may cloud on you.
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Post by bobtheskull on Jan 10, 2018 2:38:21 GMT
Cool, thank you very much for the help
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