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Post by jennifer on Dec 19, 2016 13:15:55 GMT
I read that lead rot results from exposure to acid and that certain glues are acidic.
Which is the best glue to use to adhere my lead miniature (with a base that isn't perfectly flat due to my fear of filing/sanding the lead) to a 3D printed PLA plastic base? Hot glue?
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Post by curufin on Dec 19, 2016 13:54:44 GMT
Hot Glue wont adhere to the metal unless you enclose it with hot glue. I think E6000 will be the best bet.
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Post by sgtslag on Dec 19, 2016 13:59:48 GMT
Or you can try JB Weld (check your local hardware stores, Wal-Mart, etc.). It is quite a strong epoxy, designed for gluing metal to metal; a former neighbor repaired a broken oil pan, on their SUV using it -- worked for quite a while, actually. I used it back in the 80's, on lead mini's, with decent (not perfect...) results. It is much more rigid than E6000 (which is like a firm rubber, in consistency). Cheers!
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Post by drwillsdc on Dec 19, 2016 14:48:42 GMT
I would pin and use superglue. If you don't plan to use the mini for gaming, you could forgo the pinning, but I find it is a quick step that adds so much strength to the joint. I pin almost everything anymore.
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Post by jennifer on Dec 19, 2016 19:14:27 GMT
Are any of those glues acidic? (jb weld, e6000, super glue)
Regarding drilling a hole for pinning -- don't want lead dust (especially the corroded kind -- however microscopic it may be) in the air; so I probably wouldn't do the pin thing.
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Post by drwillsdc on Dec 19, 2016 19:45:56 GMT
Well, unless the miniatures you are working with are very old, you wont encounter any lead, at least not in the states. Frostgrave miniatures for instance would not contain any lead. If your dealing with the old Ral Partha, you "Might" be dealing with lead. Either way, if you use a pin vise, you won't create any dust, but there will be shavings, which is no more deadly than handling the miniature with your hands. Just an FYI.
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Post by DnDPaladin on Dec 19, 2016 19:49:31 GMT
Matt Mercer:"Wait a second your figure just pop off the base." Laura Bailey:"What my face just popped !" Matt Mercer:"No your miniature i meant, not your character." *Matts takes crazy glue and glue the mini on its base again.* Sam Riegel:"Wait do you have a crazy glue tube on your person at all time ?" Matt Mercer:"Like any good DM always do !"
then again this was plastic minis... since i dont really know my glues, i'll simply say... read the glue notices, it will say if it can glue to metal surfaces.
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Post by scififan27 on Dec 19, 2016 20:24:39 GMT
I don't remember whether it's available in the US, but Evo-Stik is acid free and is used in slot car racing for securing lead weight inside plastic chassis.
E6000 is acidic, so if your concern is lead rot, don't use it.
Gorilla Glue is acid free, and should suit your purpose just fine.
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Post by sgtslag on Dec 19, 2016 20:37:03 GMT
No idea about acid content of JB Weld, just know it is made for gluing metals together. Super Glue has incredible pull-straight-apart strength, but if you twist things (sheer), it will break quite easily. That is why I won't use it on mini's.
Pinning is fantastic, especially with a pin vise. Makes the strongest joint possible. Filings are minimal, and if captured and disposed of, pose no real threat, as said.
Otherwise, most two-part epoxies will work quite well. The JB Weld contains powdered steel, suspended in an epoxy, which strengthens it. I used it for some lead dragon wings joined to a lead body: the join broke after 20+ years, but no lead-rot, so I doubt it has any acid. Cheers!
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Post by rengar on Jan 5, 2017 16:33:03 GMT
If you are not going to hide the seams and are not Pinning then the E6000 is the best choice. This will also work if you pin, it just takes longer to dry.
If you are Going to pin and hide the gap, I would do it in this manner: 1 glue the pin in with supper glue or E6000 2 use green stuff to hide the seams. The green stuff will add more strength to the seam. You could use Milli-Put in place of the Green stuff but it is not as strong as the green stuff for acting as a glue.
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Post by skunkape on Jan 5, 2017 21:46:18 GMT
I also agree about pinning a figure and using some kind of epoxy. If I'm gluing a mini to a base, I might just use superglue, but for any kind of assembly with a metal mini, I try to use an epoxy of some kind.
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Post by matakishi on Jan 7, 2017 9:46:07 GMT
Super glue will adhere to the PLA. This is the quickest and easiest solution. Epoxy will work. This is a slower and more expensive option. PVA will also work.
As for lead rot... There is no lead in modern fantasy miniatures (post 1998 or thereabouts). Lead rot in actual lead miniatures is really rare. Don't believe people's stories about it, most of them are just making stuff up.
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