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Post by Wyloch on Dec 3, 2015 14:07:47 GMT
2 plus 2 equals 5.
That's how I feel.
What you might call "four," I prefer to call "five."
And that is okay, right?
:-)
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Post by milojaggerson on Dec 15, 2015 20:32:06 GMT
I remember all the early isometric computer games, like Zaxxon, Marble Madness, Hero Quest, etc. Loved how they represented a forced perspective 3D, and how that quirky presentation came to mean something stylistically. That DMScotty used the word "isometric" with the 2.5D method immediately suggested to me very nearly what he showed. In the world of graphics the word "isometric", particularly in terms of computer graphics, engineering, and of architecture, has a concrete and certain meaning, but applied to this art form, when discussing areas bordered by the walls used to create this system, it is both descriptive and evocative. Perhaps the use of the word subjectively is found wanting, but it is fitting considering the look of the early video games of yesterday.
It is definitely a trade-off system in the same way those 80's video games were trade-offs. Those computer games were primarily using 2D mechanics in a forced and faux 3D environment to convey the feeling of depth and immersion. The TILESCAPES Isometric Terrain System likewise conveys a feeling of substance when the reality is that a minimal number of pieces are used to evoke effectively the sense that much more is present than actually is. Not the full-blown modeling of say Hirst Arts dungeon kits, but then DmScotty's system doe not have the weight, expense, or impedance of the full-3D stuff, either. By using one or two backdrop walls, windows, and doorways (along with negative space "walls") with the 2.5D system the GM frames a scene. Completely my own subjective opinion: It really is more of an evolutionary iteration of the 2.5D, 2.5D Next system, it is wonderful, and aptly named.
The presented definition of isometric is correct, technical and precise. However, the artist used the term "isometric" in this case to convey a "feel" of the system - a feeling that is not necessarily quantifiable or as easily defined. Isometric video games presented players with a boundary around the play field much the same way the "walls" of this system present a minimalist boundary. I suppose that the title TILESCAPES Bounded Play Field may have been one name rooted in more accurate terms, but it just doesn't "sing" the way that the term "isometric" does.
That is my un-requested two-bits worth. It is how I as an artist understand the term. Context helps determine meaning as much as the dictionary. Cool? It's 49 degrees here. Fahrenheit. 451.
Context.
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Post by DnDPaladin on Dec 16, 2015 1:07:35 GMT
you guys have to stop thinking there is no walls on his tiles, there are walls ! but instead of making walls on the tiles or part of the tile. he uses negative space as the wall. the same way anybody at home splits their insane amount of open space with furnitures. might not be walls, but using something else to differentiate the lounge from the kitchen still counts as a wall. Negative space is still a ressources we can use.
the same way i love black bases because im used to seeing black as not there, to a point where i dont see the bases off the minis once they are in play.
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Post by birdskull on Dec 16, 2015 18:20:23 GMT
If I build a floor and buy four couches, do I have a house built then? Sorry, just had to.
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Post by DnDPaladin on Dec 16, 2015 21:00:26 GMT
yes you do, with tons of problems minds you but yyes you just built yourself a space (house) XD
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Post by l7arkness on Dec 16, 2015 21:47:22 GMT
{Orthographic Isometric View} {Perspective Isometric View} Just wanted to throw my two cents in
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Post by DnDPaladin on Dec 17, 2015 18:10:47 GMT
not really seeing the difference...
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Post by l7arkness on Dec 17, 2015 19:45:30 GMT
not really seeing the difference... Im confused by your response?
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Post by milojaggerson on Dec 17, 2015 20:30:03 GMT
not really seeing the difference... An Isometric view shows all three views (top, front, side) of an object so that the front and side view's bottom horizontal axis are typically each 30 degrees off of the horizontal line from the viewer's perspective on a 2D plane, with the drawing eschewing foreshortening, keeping all three dimensions at the same scale and relative to the central axis point (0,0,0). Orthographic projections depicts one face of a 3D object on a 2D plane (just the front, or just the side, or just the top). An Oblique view uses scaling - foreshortening - on at least one of the three views (top, front, side) to depict a 3D representation of an object on a 2D plane. All this has basically nothing to do with what DMScotty called the T ILESCAPES Isometric Terrain System. In fact, viewing the title on the Youtube video page it is called "DM Scotty's TILESCAPES Game Terrain Tiles for D&D and Pathfinder". Granted the video proper displays the words "DM Scotty's TILESCAPES The Isometric Terrain System", but is he attempting to define the system with a technically precise name, or does the good DM use a name that is suggestive of a certain feel created in the video games of yore? Anyway, DMScotty has certainly given us something about which we may inanely blather. Plus, whatever its called, it looks great on the table. Thank you very much for your labor, DMScotty!
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Post by DnDPaladin on Dec 18, 2015 7:02:36 GMT
i was talking about the two photos the guy above showed... not seeing the differences between them.
and seriously... who doesn't like TITS ?
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Post by michka on Dec 18, 2015 13:47:09 GMT
DMScotty could have been using the word 'isometric' as a catch phrase that isn't meant to be accurate. The intro does mimic an old 80's toy commercial. Those weren't known for their accuracy. Here's what I want to know. Why does he say "Wow your friend."? Singular 'friend'. Is he saying I only have one friend? How does he know?
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Post by l7arkness on Dec 18, 2015 14:48:00 GMT
DMScotty could have been using the word 'isometric' as a catch phrase that isn't meant to be accurate. The intro does mimic an old 80's toy commercial. Those weren't known for their accuracy. Here's what I want to know. Why does he say "Wow your friend."? Singular 'friend'. Is he saying I only have one friend? How does he know? The DM's eye sees all my friend
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Post by kgstanley81 on Jan 3, 2016 18:22:14 GMT
I'm at a CVS right now and I see that the cork boards are buy 2 get 3rd free
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Post by soonerbdead on Feb 2, 2016 17:07:09 GMT
Question about the Tilescapes fronts.. I noticed in the 3rd video that scotty uses the skinny sticks for the top and sides. He puts two full sticks on the top of the 12" front. However the skinny sticks are only 5.75" long. Should the tile stick out from the sides of the front 1/4" on each side or do I make it 12" wide with three pieces of wood? I tried looking at all the videos again to see if I missed something, but didnt notice the difference on his front.
I am probably going to just make the top with 3 x 4" sticks and make it flush, but wanted to make sure there is not a reason for that disparity, before I go through that work.
I got my cork tiles at Hobby Lobby, exact same brand and everything as his, except I bought the 6" four pack already cut. They were 4.99 each. But Hobby Lobby runs coupons all the time, and I got 30% off. 8 for 7.50 is not bad at all.
Also, Great job Wyloch! your tiles are awesome too. I am going to use both for my table!
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Post by margaret on Feb 4, 2016 1:59:24 GMT
Re I7arkness's examples: in the orthographic isometric view, the pillars line up with the ones on the "back" row. In the perspective isometric view, the image is shown as if rotated slightly so the pillars don't line up.
Not that it matters when making the tiles - I7arkness was just showing the difference as part of the side discussion.
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Post by ironwolf on May 6, 2016 23:09:07 GMT
Regardless of the accuracy of using "isometric" as the name for the tiles, I will be using an amalgam of this, Wyloch's 1.25 grid and elements of 2.5d on my own table.
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Post by ray on May 31, 2016 19:08:12 GMT
I just registered and so hope this actually ends up in this discussion - I am having problems with the cork curling up real bad. I have my first 4 6 x 6 tiles done after a lot of fussing, but taking so long to dry and curling up seem to be big problems that while worth overcoming, are very time consuming. Is there an alternative to white glue? I was thinking of trying Mod Podge, but I have zero experience with it. Any Suggestions?
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Post by DnDPaladin on May 31, 2016 21:31:07 GMT
Modpodge is also water based. your problem comes from the cork absorbing water. but we want that. your goal is to "NOT" wait for the glue to dry. as soon as it is dry t the touch, put something heavy on it. this step is important. i was able to redo my cork tiles by painting them and them after the first side is painted and dry. put something heavy on them and wait a few days. then paint the remaning side. and it all corrected my problems.
but as i tryed it again, i figured what scotty meant... basically glue one side, wait for it to be dry to the touch, put some heavy stuff on it. then paint next side after a day of weighting. then redo it again before painting. just know that while your glue seems dry, it really isn't and its at that time you must put the weights on. once glued and painted they become much harder to bend.
so again... do "NOT" wait for the glue to dry, give it a few minutes to an hour for it to become transparent. then put on some heavy weight on the cork. i suggest you take your time. this process to work, is actually very very time consuming. took me about 7 days to make 8 6x6 tiles out of which about 5 days were needed to just prep the tiles for painting.
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Post by ray on May 31, 2016 22:33:41 GMT
Thank you DnDPaladin,
I will just proceed with the 50 / 50 GlueAll and weights. You know, I actually had a washer get glued pretty solidly to one tile! I never thought PVA could do that! Thanks again!
Also, thank you to DM Scotty, the DMG, Wyloch, Jake from MTD, Black Magic Craft, the terrain wench, and the whole rest of the community for inspiring me to DM again! I will post some pics of what I have made later on.
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Post by vacian on Jul 30, 2016 15:47:48 GMT
I've been looking into materials to use and found a 2ft x 4ft cork board at home depot for just under $5. Its 3/8in thick so im not sure how much difference that will make to people, but its a pretty decent deal.
They also have 1/4in mdf in 2ft x 4ft and 2ft x 2ft sheets and larger if you can or want for around the same price tiget a little sturdier material. MDF can get heavy quick though, and you need more heavy duty tools to work it.
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