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Post by runningwolf on Jul 21, 2015 18:00:16 GMT
You get my meaning here? So outside of blatant balance issues, small variations are not going to matter. Shapeways is excellent by the way, I use them and have no reservations recommending the service. I know someone who would roll bad rolls even with a loaded dice If someone makes a botched roll we say that it is because the one player might have touched them or a air molecule from him interacted with the dice.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 20:50:36 GMT
That is totally a thing Runningwolf. Actually, I shall start a thread on Dice rolling, do's and don'ts.
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Mortal Knight
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Current Game: Return to Serenity (Custom Campaign)
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Post by Mortal Knight on Jul 23, 2015 16:36:00 GMT
Just my cents here. I don't allow my players to make custom dice nor will I ever bc when temptation is there and its easy to do so cheating will eventually occur. DnDPaladin is right in most cases you will find person after person trying to tilt the random toward them we all did the salt water test and found one of my players had all three of his sets land on the 17 - 20 sides almost always however so did 7 of my 15+ sets but if your players roll there dice properly making sure it hits it axis they still turned out random. For example that same player I mentioned earlier typically fails most of his saves and fails to hit because of his rolls more than he is successful in his rolls. Another one of my player's favorite set almost always hit the 20 in the test yet she often misses and still has yet to roll a 20 on the table with that set she often puts them to the side because the bad rolls that set gives her and as for my sets I hardly ever use those sets because they often give me bad rolls so while it is useful to have this test most of the imperfections in those off the line dice seem not to matter when you take away that weightless factor and gravity takes hold it seems that random is still there for the most part now maybe it tips slightly but it has not affected our rolls in play.
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00zim00
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Post by 00zim00 on Jul 30, 2015 2:50:34 GMT
I have been keeping up and reading this and honestly I wasn't sure if I even wanted to get into this argument/discussion. I didn't conceive my initial post going down this route . My point of view, if it is even relevant at this stage. Is that if your playing with people who you have a feeling are going to cheat then why are you even playing with them. It honestly blows my mind that any normal person would even bother cheating, I mean its just a game :/. On top of that as mentioned before no dice is perfect. Counter side to that is if you really think its an issue not because they intentionally are cheating but just because you feel the dice might just be too unbalanced. Then each turn rotate the dice out between the player and the DM. That way the person who has spent so much money on them or has put a lot of effort into it can still enjoy their fruits, while at the same time see others enjoy their custom dice as-well. Realistically though balanced or not that's more of a question for each table as not every group or person feels the same. Well anyway, good points given by both sides of the coin by everyone. Although I have to sneak this in and bring it up.. my initial question I feel really hasn't been answered or discussed. Except of course for the first helpful reply from "daveyjones" and a few other small remarks by some others, it has kinda got sidetracked. I am curious of anyone else's insight or opinion on it, would be greatly appreciated. That is if there is indeed any other input to be made Thanks all so far! enjoyed reading
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Post by DnDPaladin on Jul 30, 2015 4:14:38 GMT
00zim00 it is in human nature to try and defies the laws. so thats why even if not for cheating, people by nature will try to cork the dices and chances into their favors. people calculates all the times. our brain works like that. so when given a random equation. our brain immediately tries to understand it. thats why i dont like randomness. because in th eend people find ways to make it not so random. im quite sure even you had times where you did try to cork the chances in your favors when rolling those dices. it doesn't have to do with cheating or not, it has to do with human nature and how our brain tries to calculates everything including randomness.
as for the original question, the answer is far more simple... whatever method you use to make dices... there are just a few key points to remember when doing the thing.
- the dice faces needs to be all perfectly equals. - the dice weight as to be perfectly equal. thats pretty much it for the basics. just know that perfection do not exists, all that is truly required is for you to be the closest to it. so i could take a piece of paper and make a dice. i could use a wooden substance to make it. i could use plastics. i could use everything really.
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