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Post by monkeybarsixx on Mar 15, 2015 1:08:17 GMT
Stgslag,
Good point on the 10-20 year time table. I thi k that would be the direction I would end up in, painting the PCs and select few baddies real good, and army hordes will get the speed painting. I will look up those terms now.
Also, great point on practicing on army men. I literally could see my self sitting at my desk, with paints all ready, brush in hand, and not starting because I don't want to mess up horribly... Lol. In fact, I already was looking through the bones for minis that I didn't like to be guinee pigs.. Haha
Thanks for the advice, -scott
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Post by monkeybarsixx on Mar 15, 2015 1:12:32 GMT
reapercraft.boards.net/In regard to learning how to paint minis, go to the tutorial board and check out the Miniature Painting 101 videos, there are 50 and they cover everything you need to know. AJ, I feel like u created this video series for me! This is an awesome collection of beginner videos! I am also assuming that the info contained later in the series (I haven't finished all 50 yet!) is helpful for people who have been painting already as well, that may want some new ideas, info, etc... Again, thank you for an amazing resource! -scott
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 3:54:06 GMT
I'm not done yet! The Miniature Painting 101 series covers all the basics, as well as advanced techniques like feathering, how to use specific colour combinations and such. I am now posting a video series by a master painter where he talks about colour theory and there are examples of his fresh paint blending technique (blending wet paint on the miniature). I am searching and collecting the best painting guide videos I can find on Youtube for all of us nubs
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Post by DnDPaladin on Mar 15, 2015 4:36:48 GMT
well if you are lazy and want your colors to stay the same all the time, then by all mean go for the bottles and buy each colors you need. aka 3 colors of brown for wood. but if you ar elike me and want to save a bit on money, just mix your colors together. you dont need much of any to make big chunks of another color. but the drawback is, that if you miss out on that color along the way, you may need to redo it and that may also make it not the same exact color. and if you do too much of it, you just blew a lot of colors for no reasons.
both ways are good. to me i have my green for leaves and grass. if i need it darker or brighter i just need to add more of another color. my blue is for water and sky. same thing. my red is the same, same for yellow. i just simply bought what i know most of my stuff will use. the basic stuff colors.
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Post by Alexis on Mar 15, 2015 8:53:19 GMT
I personally really enjoy giving each and every mini the best paint job I can even if it takes a really long time until you finished everything. I don't like the thought of just painting something in order that it's painted in the end. In that case I would rather leave it unpainted. After all you just spent quite a bit of money for the minis (at least in my case). I enjoy the process of the actual painting and I think the result it's worth the time. But that is just me ;-) I know there are a lot of people thinking completely different that enjoy just painting as many minis as fast as possible. I enjoy making a lot of little "museum" pieces ;-) But you have to figure out yourself what you prefer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 9:18:51 GMT
I find the hardest part is the starting. As soon as paint touches the mini, I am in the process, and I don't stop until it is done as well as I know how. It is a constant learning process, I always watch what others do and try out new things. The great part about it is, even if I make a heap of mistakes, that paint can come off, or be painted over. There comes a time when even your most basic paint job looks better than a store bought pre painted model, and all the hours of relaxing concentration reward you in whole new ways.
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Post by monkeybarsixx on Mar 16, 2015 0:04:49 GMT
So, I was leaning towards Vallejo paint, simply because I could buy it at a local source and grow my paint collection one week at a time.... But..... I found a someone local that is getting rid of their stuff, he has this complete set, www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/Paint%20Sets/latest/09956 for about 50+% off. All 216 colors for about 1.50 per bottle! That is a great deal! So, I think I am going with that. This is way more paint than I was expecting to purchase at this time, but I think the deal may be too good to pass up. I will check to make sure the paint is not dried out, but most of it (he only has about 8 bottles that he opened up) is still sealed. Anything else I should check out?
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Post by DnDPaladin on Mar 16, 2015 1:21:28 GMT
1,50 is much for something that was used before. those kind of bottles i buy at the dollar store for that much each. nut those seems to be brands so yeah... that looks like a steal for those type of paint.
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Post by michka on Mar 16, 2015 6:28:39 GMT
My advice is... Just get started as soon as you get the chance. Nothing will teach you how to paint like painting. Do not try to compare your work with anyone else's. There are some amazing painters out there on the internet, and their work can be intimidating as all hell. Find your own style, rather then copying someone else's. Pick and choose from the techniques you see here and other forums. Enjoy the process. If you get discouraged, set the mini down and come back to it later. Do not keep thinking about that big box of unpainted minis. One mini that you are proud of is worth a hundred that can best be described as 'done'.
And the most important advice is... remember this is supposed to be fun.
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Post by SpielMeisterKev! on Mar 16, 2015 12:56:20 GMT
Howdy, 216 colors for about 1.50 per bottle! That IS a great deal. However, let me be the voice of reason. That is a lot of colors you may never use? Depending on what you are intending to paint, I think a pallet of 16 colors would be a better place to start than 216! $300 can buy a lot of mini's to practice on. Just sayin', Kev!
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Post by dmbrad on Mar 16, 2015 15:10:16 GMT
That is a fantastic deal! The paints should be fine since they are in dropper bottles. They do not have the drying out issues that open top bottles have. It is a bit of overkill though, especially if you are just starting out. You will definitely need to figure out some sort of organizable paint racks.
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Post by monkeybarsixx on Mar 18, 2015 20:39:33 GMT
Yes, it is way too many paints for me as a beginner. Lol.
And agreed, I do need to jump in asap. I will be able to start laying some paint, early next week! Work this week is a mess. So hopefully, I will get my first mini out of the way, and posted here.
The KS again for all the input folks!
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Post by monkeybarsixx on Mar 18, 2015 20:43:07 GMT
Now, for a different, but related question.... Gotta pick up some brushes, any thoughts on this set from citadel? www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Citadel-Brush-SetOverpriced? Overkill? I was drawn to it simply because it seems like all the guess work is taken out for me. If it is not the best choice, do you pick up brushes at craft/hobby/art stores? Gaming stores? Or simply online? Thanks again, Scott
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Post by monkeybarsixx on Mar 18, 2015 20:52:10 GMT
Opps, I forgot that bloodchoke said this....(back on page one of this thread)
For brushes, I'd start with a decent multipack, since your first brush tends to not last very long. It takes a while to learn to use the edge of the brush and preserve the tip. Also, you'll need ruined and cheaper brushes for washes and especially dry brushing. I do the majority of my painting with a Master's Touch golden taklon brush from Hobby Lobby, a number two. That's about as small a brush as you'll need, except for a 0 to use for eyes. If you're not on too tight a budget, would't hurt to go ahead and start off with one of those, as they're only about $6 and can be used for washes and base coats once the tips splay.
I think I'll start with bloodchoke's suggestion for the hobby lobby multi pack. Or something similar. I will try to get over there in the next day or so.... To check out what they have available.
-scott
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Post by Alexis on Mar 18, 2015 21:28:21 GMT
Now, for a different, but related question.... Gotta pick up some brushes, any thoughts on this set from citadel? www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Citadel-Brush-SetOverpriced? Overkill? I was drawn to it simply because it seems like all the guess work is taken out for me. If it is not the best choice, do you pick up brushes at craft/hobby/art stores? Gaming stores? Or simply online? Thanks again, Scott I like the Citadel paints but I absolutely hate the brushes. They way too expensive for what you get. In my opinion they are all too big for the intended purpose. But I generally just like using rather small brushes it's just personal preference. I buy my brushes from a local store. Currently I use a brand called DaVinci. They are also not cheap but worth the price. I generally use size 2, 0 and 3/0 (000) round brushes for base painting and shading and some flat size 1 and 2 brushes for drybrushing. I started out with a rather cheap hobby store set with brushes more or less that size and it worked just fine. You don't really need expensive brushes, just the right size ;-)
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Post by voduchyld on Mar 19, 2015 14:44:25 GMT
I use dollar store acrylic for every miniature i paint, it costs me like 1,25$ for a way bigger bottle than GW or Reaper, and never had any issue with it. For brushes, i buy what i can find, because i have no local hobby store. I buy most of them at my local hardware store (for detailing) and dollar store (for drybrushing). I try to get the cheapest supplies, because i have a very low budget for minis. IMHO you really don't need to get pricy GW or Reaper supplies, you can save this money to get more minis. So you can have an idea of the result you can get with the cheap brushes and cheap acrylic paints i use, you can take a look at my 2 mini threads: voduchyld's minis voduchyld's TMNT minis
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Post by SpielMeisterKev! on Mar 19, 2015 18:20:54 GMT
Howdy,
I just want to preface this with the following statement. I suck at painting minis and I know it.
I just can't explain why I want to buy every mini I see. Anyway, I am getting better by painting. I hope.
A lot of it seems to be techniques that I am not good at yet.
One of which it getting a consistent viscosity to paint with and another is loading a consistent amount of paint in the brush.
If you look at tutorials on youtube, you will find that none of them say it this way, but they all boil down to this...
1) NOTHING...is only one color - more colors = more realistic.
So there is the 3 color technique...paint suppliers make pre-mixed triads of color.
You can mix your own triads. To paint something green say. use cheap craft acrylic green. Add some black to it. Now it's dark green.
Start with that. paint your item, then use a dark wash. Now it is two colors. Use the stock green on areas you can see from above. Now it is three colors. Mix some white with the stock green, do the highlights, the upper most areas you can see from above. Now it has four colors. You can do it again if you want. Mix more white in. Now only the slightest touch on the most exposed areas. It has five colors now, from the shadows to the highlights.
Even if you are not super precise, it looks much better than just slap on some green.
And it works with every color you want even black and white but those are harder of course.
Repeat the same steps for each color on your mini. the cloak, the armor, the leather bits, the skin. Now you have 20 colors on your mini. it looks great.
The above idea + the technique of dry brushing will get you some decent looking models.
The next one I have problems with because of the consistency thing...
2) LAYERS - you don't have to get all the color on in one pass. If you thin the paint you can take 3 or 4 passes to get the opacity, and it preserves a lot of detail and eliminates brush marks. Also as you do the highlighting the transitions look more blended.
There are many more advanced techniques.
I use Liquitex BASICS or Artists Loft: MARS or IVORY BLACK, PHTHALO BLUE, PHTHALO GREEN, YELLOW OCHRE, CRIMSON, SIENNA, BURNT SIENNA, TITANIUM WHITE. I got a gallon of flat black outdoor acrylic from Home Depot for $9
I recently got some molten bronze, and cold steel from madness comics. I went to get some tarnished steel and ancient bronze from the reaper store, and came home with these from the bargain bin 1$ each... Tarnished Steel Dirty Bone Suntan Flesh Elf Flesh Dark Shadows Dark Highlights Mossy Green Turf Green Jade Green Bright Indigo Midnight Blue Earth Brown Amber Gold
Lava possibly it is unlabeled.
two more I can't remember.
Anyway, I mix the Suntan flesh and dark highlight or dark shadow for some leather looking colors. And the Dirty Bone for...bones!
For metallics go for the good stuff.
Just practice, Kev!
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Post by DnDPaladin on Mar 19, 2015 22:51:14 GMT
just remember... unlike computers, addding white or black do not make other colors. it only make lighting ! in painting, making black is not "no colors". in painting, making white is not add all colors together.
black and white in painting, is... lighting only... adding white to a color do not make it lighter. it actually transforms it into white. so its ideal only to make the color look overblown by light. same for black, it is only good here to make the color more black. as in if there was no light and the color was disappearing into black.
and remember that black is avery very strong thing. even a grain of salt sized black drop will drop the color into nothingness. unlike white which is needed much more to lighten up the load.
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Post by monkeybarsixx on Mar 23, 2015 12:35:53 GMT
OK, first off..... Everyone who commented, thank you for your input! I really do appreciate it!
So here's what I ended up getting. I did grab the whole reaper line. 216 paints. Is it too much? Especially for a beginner? Probably, lol. But it really was a great deal, so I am happy with the set up, and I won't have any "paint envy" nor will I have to add anything.
Well, that's not 100% true. I did add 3 citadel shades. I have some in my giant reaper kit but I got the 3 from citadel anyway. I have agrax earth shade, nulin oil, and reikland flesh shade.
And for brushes. For my first brushes, I picked up a 10 Pack from Walmart for like $5. I will use these to get me started, and will evaluate them as I go, and may eventually get "good" brushes, or may be not - we will see.
And I have 400 bare reaper bones.... So time to start painting.
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Post by monkeybarsixx on Mar 23, 2015 12:40:13 GMT
So last night, I started painting! It took me a bit to actually get started.
I'll detail my experience in a fresh post, that I'll link here. Along with photos. I'll put the photo here as well.
The 1st mini isn't quite done. But I am happy to say, I am really pleased with him so far!
I am worried about his eyes. I tried to do them 1st and they were not coming out too well. So I moved on. And now that I have a few hours of painting under the belt, maybe I will have an easier go at the eyes.
Photos to come tonight when I finish him up!
Thanks again!
-scott
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