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Post by DnDPaladin on May 20, 2014 8:43:50 GMT
I have watched DMscotty and DMG vids, made me start on making 2.5d figures. though im not much of a dungeon crawler D&D, so no complete dungeon tiles for me, i just want basic furnitures to put on my battle grid. but im quite new to the whole painting thing, my mother gave me a primer on how to dilute and do things. so its a start. by the way got my DM and my friends to love using minis instead of just figurines, pencils and ropes. so its definitely a go for me to continu on this.
my question is simple. i've seen you guys base coat all black on everything. but on other websites i've seen warhammer people base coat white. and they say its way easier to base coat white because it requires far less coating to get a nice clean color going. so now im wondering about base coating colors. my first deduction was that base coating black was for more darker colors. since black really darkens the colors. and i thought white was just making things lighter. so... im wondering this now...
why base coating black ? isn't lighter color harder to make considering it takes a ton of white to make lighter colors and it takes only a pinch of black to make a color really dark. wouldn't base coating white be better ?
whats the difference between coating colors ?
thanks in advance, really enjoys your vids guys, keep up the good work.
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Post by indigo777 on May 20, 2014 9:38:26 GMT
It depends on the paint you use, the amount of pigments the paint contains, what you are painting, and individual preference.
For cheap craft acrylic paints I find base coating in black works best as the craft level white paints usually take multiple coats to make something solid white without streaks showing through. The cheap Craft paint quality black usually covers an entire surface black with one coat, same with the cheap 1 dollar cans of black spray paint.
Base painting black also lays down your shading and shadows, so you can go immediately move on to dry brushing.
I'm guessing with the Warhammer type paints the black paints have less ammount of pigment then the white paints so you get a better base coat from the whites? Or the whites also include a primer. I've never painted Warhammer so I'm not sure just taking a guess.
A lot of painters also basecoat white with miniatures because its easier for the painter to see the details they want to paint on a miniature, with black the small details blend together without a strong light source.
If you plan to paint on lighting effects or simulate a glowing effect, like fires, its usually better to start with a flat white color and paint up to the darker colors.
I've also seen people use the middle ground and base their miniatures and tiles in a grey basecoat. Usually a Krylon grey primer spraypaint.
For me personally I base the mini in whatever color I want the shadows on the miniature to be. Keep in mind I also use the cheapest craft paints available. This method may not work with Citedel, Reaper and other high end paints. Examples:
For a White dragon I based the mini in a very light blue then drybrushed white over it so the lightblue simulated shadows and made the white scales pop.
For a fire ele I painted the basecoat white then drybrushed yellow, orange and finally highlighted with red to simulate fire.
For a human fighter I base coated it black then drybrushed on the rest of its colors leaving the black basecoat in the recesses untouched to simulate shadow and show detail similar to the effect of a black paint wash but clearer.
For standard dungeon cardboard tiles I base coat them black then drybrush over it so the black basecoat works as shadows.
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Post by DMScotty on May 20, 2014 11:31:32 GMT
Great explanation indigo777...I do the exact same thing.
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Post by ashrothedm on May 20, 2014 14:24:48 GMT
Here's my short version:
Black Base Coat: When I am lazy and bright colors are not needed. Colors will be more dull.
White Base Coat: When I want bright colors and have time for the extra coats required for shadows.
I base coat black on minis for fast and lazy painting on miniatures. Painting on white, you immediately get the color result on the bottle, but painting on black means several coats to get past the translucency of the paint to achieve the same color. If you want to sacrifice color and detail for speed, then black is your friend.
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Post by runningwolf on May 20, 2014 16:13:17 GMT
I've been having a few problems with my red craft paint when painting over the black spray paint. I've been thinking of switching to a grey spray next time I get some. For me I'd rather use a black wash for the shadows than use 50 coats of red. Strange cause teh one shade of red I have has no problem covering black but the other shade of red I might as well be using a wash coat.
I'm willing to do some experimenting on my own... but at the same time I know others here have a lot more experience than I do.
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Post by DnDPaladin on May 20, 2014 16:14:57 GMT
Thanks for the answers. 8)
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Post by indigo777 on May 20, 2014 16:46:57 GMT
Here's my short version: Black Base Coat: When I am lazy and bright colors are not needed. Colors will be more dull. White Base Coat: When I want bright colors and have time for the extra coats required for shadows. I base coat black on minis for fast and lazy painting on miniatures. Painting on white, you immediately get the color result on the bottle, but painting on black means several coats to get past the translucency of the paint to achieve the same color. If you want to sacrifice color and detail for speed, then black is your friend. Which type of paint or brand are you using Ashrothedm? I've been having a few problems with my red craft paint when painting over the black spray paint. I've been thinking of switching to a grey spray next time I get some. For me I'd rather use a black wash for the shadows than use 50 coats of red. Strange cause teh one shade of red I have has no problem covering black but the other shade of red I might as well be using a wash coat. I'm willing to do some experimenting on my own... but at the same time I know others here have a lot more experience than I do. I have the same problems with reds some are great some aren't. Some red paints have way less pigment than others so you get an uneven coverage and have to do multiple layers which sucks. A tutorial I read a while back suggested painting a layer of orange paint for darker reds and a layer of yellow for brighter reds that you know covers well before you paint the red, so you need fewer coats of the red. I've tried it a couple times and it does help.
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Post by runningwolf on May 20, 2014 17:14:39 GMT
Cool I have to try that
I have two projects waiting in the wings drying and getting ready to paint. Hopefully have something new to show. Neither one I am going to prime. Light color and not really needing a primer coat.
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Post by ashrothedm on May 21, 2014 10:57:48 GMT
My Space Marines have a red theme, and they were all base coated black. It took so many coats of red to make the color pop that I never finished my last batch. Red on black for me was not working well with those citadel paints. I was being lazy with a black primer and it turned out to be more work to get them painted.
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Post by skunkape on May 21, 2014 19:50:57 GMT
Red tends to be more transparent for some reason, so painting on black is harder to do. Well, most red paints I've seen.
Base coating black tends to give the piece in question a darker look where as white gives a brighter look. At least to start.
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Post by ashrothedm on May 21, 2014 19:55:45 GMT
Generally, I use Citadel for minis, and generic off brand stuff for everything else.
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Post by DnDPaladin on May 22, 2014 5:07:22 GMT
Red tends to be more transparent for some reason, so painting on black is harder to do. Well, most red paints I've seen. Base coating black tends to give the piece in question a darker look where as white gives a brighter look. At least to start. Makes sens. after all, a little black makes a color very much darker, at least from my small very small experience. and it takes a fuck ton of white to brighten the color to a very light coloration. and i really mean it when i say a very small amount of black really darken too much. i wanted a light grey by mixing white. so a very tip of brush of black made it like dark grey. had to add much white to brighten it again. so i'd say the coating really affects colors much and dark is good for shadows but it seems a lot of coating is required to bypass it if you want brighter color. at least this is what my little experience gave me.
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