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Post by jennifer on Apr 14, 2016 3:11:31 GMT
The base is 1/4" off the ground. On top of that is a 3/32" square textured tile grid space. The overall wall height is 3/4" from the ground. That should do it for the basic set, minus at least a door clip. As far as an upload to thingiverse.... good question. Not sure if Wyloch wants to post them under his own account. Or if he wants me t .post them... or... or .... or.... Unless otherwise instructed, I am going to remove the 10 penny Wyloch base from Thingiverse, since it isn't compatible. As well as update the project header in this thread. Deleted 10 penny base from Thingiverse and updated project header in this thread to be 11/32" inch tile thickness instead of 7/16".
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Post by curufin on Apr 14, 2016 3:39:54 GMT
I think you could easily add penny holes to the stl files. That isn't something I know how to do in blender
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Post by teazia on Apr 14, 2016 4:41:04 GMT
How much difference are the dimensions to the the OF 2.0 bases/tile? Smaller? Larger?
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Post by jennifer on Apr 14, 2016 6:05:05 GMT
I think you could easily add penny holes to the stl files. That isn't something I know how to do in blender I can try. I did the other ones in sketchup. Sketchup is a lot easier than Blender I agree, Blender is a pain Basically you would make five cylinders and then do a boolean difference operation.
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Post by l7arkness on Apr 14, 2016 15:23:05 GMT
Door Clip: I can almost hear your 3d modeling addiction growing, fantastic work as usual. you really need to take a video of you modeling some of your wood grain it prints great and i would love to use it
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Post by Meph on Apr 14, 2016 15:45:22 GMT
Door Clip: You are my hero curufin! I am going to have to get moving to keep up with you! =)
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Post by Wyloch on Apr 14, 2016 17:08:41 GMT
Outstanding!
Also, what Jennifer said. From my experience with 3dsmax, you would just do a boolean on some simple cylinders.
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Post by DM Misha on Apr 14, 2016 21:27:55 GMT
All the tiles and the door clip look outstanding curufin!!!
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Post by curufin on Apr 14, 2016 22:11:49 GMT
Thanks everyone.
I woke up several times last night, thinking about these tiles. When I joined the project, I thought I might add some clip-on's or other features, building upon standard tiles someone else would design. I really had no intention of building a definitive set. I was only playing around when other tile files couldn't vet a print. While I am pleased with the way they turned out overall, the design, as noted, leaves little to no room for future alterations (weighted or low plastic/magnet versions). So, the thing keeping me up is this ugly crossroad. Keep the tiles the way they are. OR redo them with the original alteration in mind. To redo them, I would be virtually starting over...and that is a lot of work (but that is something I would be willing to do as that was the original intent).
Im just not sure what to do. Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions?
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Post by Meph on Apr 14, 2016 23:15:10 GMT
Are weighted versions necessary? I haven't printed any yet but I have had no problems with the Openforge tiles as they are. He only added magnetic bases as a way to hold them together and to be honest, I don't know how well they work. It's your call since you are the one doing the work but I imagine most of us will be happy with whatever version you choose to stick with.
You know my plan for magnetic bases was the peel-n-stick magnetic sheets. A 2.5"x2.5" magnetic base would also provide plenty of weight and is actually a cheaper solution than buying magnets to put inside the base. That only works to stick the tiles to a metal surface though, it does nothing to help them stick together. I really don't know any solution to hold multiple tiles together that will be very effective especially when adding weight.
It's really your call though. If you have a good solution and want to do the work then have at it. If not, I think most people will be happy with them as they are.
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Post by teazia on Apr 15, 2016 0:14:33 GMT
For low Wyloch style walls, there is no real point to stacking as there is not enough height allowance for it to make any difference. Interlocking with magnets is overkill without stacking. Pennies may be a nice feature, just cut the tops off and have the base as a separate file. Then you can have standard 1 unit prints and penny dreadful bases plus tops
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Post by jennifer on Apr 15, 2016 0:32:19 GMT
Thanks everyone. I woke up several times last night, thinking about these tiles. When I joined the project, I thought I might add some clip-on's or other features, building upon standard tiles someone else would design. I really had no intention of building a definitive set. I'm sorry I didn't make the tile set. My health has been very bad as of late or I would of. It's up to you guys. Again, I apologize.
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Post by Wyloch on Apr 15, 2016 7:30:03 GMT
Thanks everyone. I woke up several times last night, thinking about these tiles. When I joined the project, I thought I might add some clip-on's or other features, building upon standard tiles someone else would design. I really had no intention of building a definitive set. I was only playing around when other tile files couldn't vet a print. While I am pleased with the way they turned out overall, the design, as noted, leaves little to no room for future alterations (weighted or low plastic/magnet versions). So, the thing keeping me up is this ugly crossroad. Keep the tiles the way they are. OR redo them with the original alteration in mind. To redo them, I would be virtually starting over...and that is a lot of work (but that is something I would be willing to do as that was the original intent). Im just not sure what to do. Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions? I don't use blender. But are you sure you can't open you existing model, create a cylinder primitive, move it so that it is intersecting the first 3/32" of the base's depth, and do a subtraction boolean?
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Post by jennifer on Apr 15, 2016 7:57:09 GMT
If you want to use the 11/32" thick tiles that Curufin just designed, then I suggest 5 cylindrical recesses on the bottom of each tile. I can do these once Curufin has posted the set up on Thingiverse -- in blender (it's pretty easy). That is, if you want to go with a single piece tile 11/32" thick, like Curufin has made, with no exchangeable bases. (Before, I thought we had in mind a 3/16" cap on a 1/4" base for 7/16" thick tiles -- but things changed with Curufin's design.. So no exchangeable bases now. Unless the base is thinner than 1/4".
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Post by Wyloch on Apr 15, 2016 12:10:16 GMT
It does seem like a cool feature, and doesn't prevent one from using other methods such as gluing on magnetic sheet.
For convenience, probably cleaner to do a full model rather than separate base block...what about if/when you get to irregular stuff like caverns?
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Post by l7arkness on Apr 15, 2016 13:35:33 GMT
Thanks everyone. I woke up several times last night, thinking about these tiles. When I joined the project, I thought I might add some clip-on's or other features, building upon standard tiles someone else would design. I really had no intention of building a definitive set. I was only playing around when other tile files couldn't vet a print. While I am pleased with the way they turned out overall, the design, as noted, leaves little to no room for future alterations (weighted or low plastic/magnet versions). So, the thing keeping me up is this ugly crossroad. Keep the tiles the way they are. OR redo them with the original alteration in mind. To redo them, I would be virtually starting over...and that is a lot of work (but that is something I would be willing to do as that was the original intent). Im just not sure what to do. Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions I am completely happy with the tiles as is and there are plenty of options for additions as far as weight goes as is after print addons, currently have about 16 printed and they are working out great i am having trouble keeping the corners from lifting but that's a adhesion problem not a model problem.
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Post by teazia on Apr 15, 2016 14:12:41 GMT
Try thinner outerwalls, that has helped with my curling problems in the past.
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Post by jennifer on Apr 15, 2016 17:07:28 GMT
Thanks everyone. I woke up several times last night, thinking about these tiles. When I joined the project, I thought I might add some clip-on's or other features, building upon standard tiles someone else would design. I really had no intention of building a definitive set. I was only playing around when other tile files couldn't vet a print. While I am pleased with the way they turned out overall, the design, as noted, leaves little to no room for future alterations (weighted or low plastic/magnet versions). So, the thing keeping me up is this ugly crossroad. Keep the tiles the way they are. OR redo them with the original alteration in mind. To redo them, I would be virtually starting over...and that is a lot of work (but that is something I would be willing to do as that was the original intent). Im just not sure what to do. Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions I am completely happy with the tiles as is and there are plenty of options for additions as far as weight goes as is after print addons, currently have about 16 printed and they are working out great i am having trouble keeping the corners from lifting but that's a adhesion problem not a model problem. To help with adhesion problem, perhaps circular tabs can be addded to the corners like this thingiverse thingy (then you can cut them off with scissors) : www.thingiverse.com/thing:957376
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Post by curufin on Apr 15, 2016 18:10:12 GMT
I've been thinking about the removable tile base. I really liked the idea of DJ's OpenForge 2.0. The magnet idea seemed awesome. And having more options for how you can build your tile set means making more people happy. But the more I think about it, the more I think it is a tedious design that offers more of a neutrality or negative than a positive. I know that sounds bad, and I mean absolutely no disrespect to DJ, as I think the guy is not only brilliant, but an opensource gaming pioneer. If we do some comparisons of a Single Wall tile: (assuming $23 kg of plastic, running at a speed of 80mm/sec) DJ Openforge original - a single file that costs $0.44 and takes 2h 23min to print. DJ Openforge 2.0 - two files that costs a total of $.51 and takes 2h 54min to print PLUS $0.50 for the eight magnets. This tile requires assembly, and if you decide to load the printer bed, you will only be able to print half a many total tiles compared to the DJ OF original. Wylock tile - A single file that costs $0.37 and takes 1h 25min to print. I spent a while reading all the reviews and comments on the OF 2.0 tiles and it seems that a lot people are scraping the base altogether and just printing the top portion to save cost and printer time. The cost of just the top portion is $.037 and takes 2h to print. As for a thinner tile, yeah, that was my bad. I wish I would have been stopped when I asked if it was a problem... Here is a V1 with texture. I removed the top most layer of the grid. The tiles now measures from the table top to top of the tile 11/32". I will vet a print in the morning. Does 11/32" throw a monkey wrench into the system? However, there is still room for pennies or magnets if cylindrical booleans are cut into the bases. That still gives diehard's those options. If I had a set of modular dungeon tiles, I would use a little masking tape along the bottom to build rooms and hallways before hand. Then lay them out as a whole. As for the tile sliding problem, that could remove the need for added weight or magnets altogether. So, my opinion (which carries no weight), is a removable base is superfluous. These Wyloch tiles are already cheaper and faster to print, require no assembly, and retain every aspect that makes a Wyloch tile a Wyloch tile. But this is not my project. This is our project. If these tiles simply don't fit the intended model, that's fine. No hard feelings what so ever. I would politely ask someone else to give it a shot... I just don't have it in me to start over.
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Post by DM Misha on Apr 15, 2016 18:20:13 GMT
I think the tiles are great as is curufin! Taller walls would be ideal for me, but beggars can't be choosers right? As for slipping and sliding, I agree with taping the bottoms to build entire rooms and what not. Also a non slip rubber playing surface would help! Dollar tree sells the waffle type rubber shelf liners for cheap!
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