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Post by DMScotty on Nov 20, 2015 15:51:44 GMT
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Post by sotf on Nov 20, 2015 17:55:21 GMT
As I'd posted in the comments, one thing that people really should do with this kind of thing where it's supposed to remain in use for more than a few sessions along with just the added durability is to hit it with a protective varnish coat.
Paint chips away easily, and even with the glue impregnation, Cork is still not the most durable of base material though it is a great thing that works well for this sort of thing, and a layer of varnish would keep it looking good for years.
And as a side thing, cork makes easy cobblestone appearance even without the stamping. Blackbomb it and then hit it with various lighter drybrushes, those natural crevasses in the cork tiles and sheets, they pick out extremely well, and you can pick and choose a few of them for specific colors to make a quite quick and easy tile without the need for stamps.
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Post by bluecloud2k2 on Nov 20, 2015 20:23:51 GMT
Great looking stuff.. seriously considering adapting this for Modern and Scifi
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Post by tauster on Nov 20, 2015 20:29:59 GMT
seems like scotty is once again setting a trend.
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Post by sotf on Nov 20, 2015 21:29:48 GMT
Another thing that I noticed with the videos is that Scotty missed Wylochs method of dealing with wood matching up right with a pattern on some of the wood stamped tiles. Always start with the same corner directional corner or you end up with oddities when they match up
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Post by DnDPaladin on Nov 21, 2015 21:05:33 GMT
i am facing problems... i have started doing those tiles and somehow the water doesn'T wink in it. same with glue... im up to two coats and the thing is not rock solid at all. it easily bend still.
scotty, do you give time to the tile to absorb the water, cause in your video it seems like you paint water on it, then paint some glue as if you did 50/50 glue.
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Post by sotf on Nov 21, 2015 22:25:20 GMT
i am facing problems... i have started doing those tiles and somehow the water doesn'T wink in it. same with glue... im up to two coats and the thing is not rock solid at all. it easily bend still. scotty, do you give time to the tile to absorb the water, cause in your video it seems like you paint water on it, then paint some glue as if you did 50/50 glue. If you're using the coaster cork that could be part of the issue, those tend to be chemically treated so that they don't really absorb much in the long term.
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Post by DnDPaladin on Nov 21, 2015 23:09:56 GMT
might be, i'll have to check because actually i was surprised by the lack of degradation when i cutted them without wetting them first...
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Post by bluecloud2k2 on Nov 22, 2015 18:55:01 GMT
Sounds like coaster cork to me.
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Post by DaniGrotesque on Nov 29, 2015 20:49:43 GMT
I am having such a hard time finding these cork mats.
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Post by DaniGrotesque on Nov 29, 2015 20:52:20 GMT
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Post by DnDPaladin on Nov 30, 2015 5:39:17 GMT
gotta understand us rousseau... in video games isometric only means the tiles are not horizontally placed, but losange placed. and the bottom just disappears to let you view the room. except for doors and passages. i too wondered what he meant, until i figured, he was speaking of video game style. nothing else.
in that light, the title is well chosen if you ask me. after all, if we go by term definition, then pretty much everyone has the wrong idea of what a sarcasm is, same with any other methods they call. at some point in history, words changes definition in their entirety. the same way the beat em up genre games changed to fighting game and then fighting games becames beat em up genre. the same way some actions movies became action/horror/scifi/adventure movies. all of a sudden.
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Post by Wyloch on Nov 30, 2015 13:15:10 GMT
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Post by DnDPaladin on Nov 30, 2015 19:07:13 GMT
Rousseau, then tell me why anybody would think of the color when i really mean something else. when i would say... that guy is so green, its horrible.
words have so many meanings now a days that even if you do want the word to mean its original thing, it just will not stand as that. thats all i have to say about this thing. i understand what you mean, i really do. but in reality you are a few years late. any gamers will tell you that isometric is the old fashionned games where your view was in losanges and your controllers had 8 ways to go instead of 4.
this is what isometric meant to me for years. and i just dont mean now, i mean i've been literally thinking that for 25 years minimum.
i understand full well your view, youd like people to use the right terms and all... but that just wont happen... not when people been using the wrong word for 25+ years.
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Post by DnDPaladin on Dec 1, 2015 21:33:45 GMT
seriously... tilt, turn and pan is the same to you ? i really dont see how they can be identical while each have their own movement on dfferent axis !
i only meant that when it comes to it, things are betterly reduced to their minimum meaning. for me green is a color, yeah it may mean many things, but in its basic form it is just a color. isometric is a whole big world. literally. but reduced to its most basics form... so that everyone can understand... its nothing more then what DM Scotty described.
the same way a pan with a camera has atons of variables to take care of... but when you reduce the word meaning in order for people to understand it... its nothing more the the camera moving sideways. dont tell me you ever talk to people by using those big words they probably never understood ? i work in computers and i am forced to give basic meaning to my stuff so people can understand me, otherwise they just dont.
all im saying.
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Post by teazia on Dec 2, 2015 2:52:35 GMT
Given the we cannot physically sea real things in isometric perspective (only in a forced way via media), this discussion is splitting hairs. The tiles are meant to mimic the long held isometric perspective that is found in old games.
Its always good to learn things though!
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Post by sotf on Dec 2, 2015 15:51:15 GMT
You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Either words have meaning or they don't. Isometric does have different meanings, it's been used quite a bit for a specific type of view in gaming (I believe it's evenmentioned on the Baldur's Gate box). It's essentially the same as the word Plasma and some conversations I keep remembering between my parents...a nurse and an engineer...
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Post by tauster on Dec 3, 2015 7:12:59 GMT
@rouseau , I have followed the discussion but decided not to chime in. It was for a selfish reason: I have experienced myself, dozens of times, that arguing against a 'who cars?' attitude is usually robbing my energy, even if my point of view is objectively* 100% correct.
I'm totally on your side with correcting people when they use words in ways they are not intended to be used, and I admire the way you lead this discussion. I've yet so see someone opening such a dialogue with better researched and better worded posting, but I knew from that start it was a lost cause. Sometimes you just can't win when people decide not to care for facts.
* ...yes, sometimes points of view are not only opinions (and thus subjective in nature) but based on hard facts, and in these cases they are either right or wrong. Just saying.
I just hope that you don't feel too frustrated; stuff like that can wear on you (it certainly does on me).
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Post by DnDPaladin on Dec 3, 2015 12:24:23 GMT
i hate the concept of right and wrong, because it means the whole humanity is on same page as to what hapenned and what is and what is not. so that would also means that when an accident happens, everyone of those single witness has seen the very same angle and the very same thing. which is just an impossibility.
its not because you are right on thing that the other isn't either. in this case,t he term isometric as always been (in video games) literally downgraded. its not a question of semantics or a question of truth or even right or wrong... the thing here is, what will people understand. i may be telling you a motherboard is circuit that allows electricty to run around its closed circuits. but is it really what you as a person wanna know when you build your computer ? not to mention the term motherboard is a derived thing from mainboard which was the official term back in the days of yore. does that really matter how you call it ? the important thing is for people to understand you.
do you really think people liked it when i said wyloch method is what i call the lego way. its really far from it when you consider it, but thats an easy way to remember it though. as i said, it doesn'T matter what is the truth about it or what the word means, the only important stuff is that you know what i am talking about.
thats all there is to it. there is no conspiration there is no we're losing our language. languages evolves. tell me, did you have rendez-vous as a word in english about 800 years ago ? how many french words and other words have seeped into your language. languages evolves, people add and remove stuff out of it all the time. its a normal thing. you know the truth about the word, good for you... that doesn't mean people around you will even understand a single word out of your definition. because truth is... most dont care !
but there is one thing i do like in all your say... i hadn't noticed how it made the word TITS !!! scotty should definitly call it TITS.
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Post by adamsouza on Dec 3, 2015 13:28:59 GMT
Languages evolve, but it doesn't mean people aren't using words incorrectly.
DMScotty's use of the word is technically incorrect in this case. It's going to bother people who know the correct definition and be overlooked by anyone who doesn't.
To be honest, I was unaware of the proper usage, until it was pointed out.
Still, I suppose calling them isometric tiles sounds cooler than calling them what they actually are, tiles without walls.
They look great, are functional, and I understand part of DMScotty's job is to hype his creations for the Youtube audience, but they are essentially thicker versions of 2D tiles.
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